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    February 27, 2014
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has happened in this segment. politico magazine's glen thrush, thanks. congrats on the story. >> thank you. >> that is all for now. see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work. >> the keystone pipeline today. >> if we welcome the u.s. state department's report. >> even the study they put out paves the way for keystone. >> keystone xl would not have a significant environmental impact. >> complex. you think the keystone pipeline is complex? >> goodness gracious. >> approval of the keystone xl pipeline is not in the national interest. >> obviously, this is an issue where there are strongly felt opinions on all sides. >> it's been understudied for five years. we build pipelines everywhere in america every day.
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>> the president is going to approve the xl pipeline. >> he also picked up his pen and finally approved the keystone pipeline. >> i don't know why he's going to wait two or three months to do it. >> my guess is he'll say yes to keystone. >> write it down, he is going to approve the xl pipeline. there is no defending not opening the xl pipeline. >> there's nothing complex about the keystone pipeline. it's time to build it. bye. >> oh, no, no, no, speaker boehner, it's very complex. good to have you with us. thanks for watching. we start tonight with some major news on the keystone xl pipeline. wednesday night the state department's inspector general, that's right, he's been looking this whole thing over, he stood by the state department report on the keystone xl pipeline. the inspector cleared the department of any allegations or wrongdoing of improperly hiring erm, an outside consulting firm with ties to the oil industry,
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that wrote this whole report that everybody is up in arms about. there was no conflict of interest, the final word from the inspector general. the inspector general said the state department substantially followed its prescribed guidance and at times was more rigorous than that guidance. interesting. now, this latest news has republicans calling for the president of the united states to fast track the pipeline. let's go. what are we waiting for? a spokesperson for house speaker john boehner said it's long past time the president stop pandering to extremist allies and just approve it so we can get people back to work. hold it right there. mr. boehner, i have been to nebraska. the jobs that you're referring to are temporary. they're not long term. so don't be trying to play this thing that it's going to be a big boost when it comes to creating jobs in america. it will be short term.
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now, the speaker hasn't been shy about his support for the pipeline. he throws the jobs thing out all the time. boehner's been putting serious pressure on the president to approve the pipeline for months. >> it's bad enough he continues to block the keystone pipeline, which his own administration says would mean tens of thousands of new jobs. he can also pick up his pen and finally approve keystone pipeline. last week the state department produced yet another report showing that we already knew -- that there's no reason, scientific or otherwise, to block this project any longer. do you think the keystone pipeline is complex? it's been understudied for five years. we build pipelines everywhere in america every day. >> so, mr. boehner, do you think the president of the united states should just say the heck with the state supreme court in nebraska and just do something federal over state's rights? i thought your writings were all about state's rights and backyard control? democrats still don't trust boehner and the state department
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report. arizona's congressman isn't happy with the state department's report. he released a statement saying the inspector general was only asked whether to examine whether the state department followed its own flawed process for selecting a third-party contractor. the fact that the answer is yes doesn't address any outstanding concerns about the integrity of erm's work. oh, yeah. the congressman wants the devil in the detail to come to the party. now, it's not just a state department report democrats are concerned about. senators barbara boxer and also sheld sheld sheld sheldon whitehouse are investigating health concerns. the senators wrote john kerry asking for an immediate and comprehensive study on how tar sands oil would affect health. on wednesday, both whitehouse and boxer said health impact of tar sands oil are being ignored.
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>> we need to clearly understand that as tar sands oil flows to our gulf coast refineries, it will increase toxic pollution that already travels here. >> it is important we make this decision with our eyes wide open to the health effects, to the climate effects, and not just take at gospel parts of a report. >> meanwhile, there are also growing concerns about the quality of the xl pipeline itself. i mean the physical pipeline itself. is it any good? when i was in nebraska, i spoke with a man named byron seskel. if the pipeline is approved it's going to run right through his land. he gave us i thought a very interesting illustration of the pipeline. >> this goes through your land, doesn't it? >> yes. it goes across my property, splits it right in half, 1.2 miles. my visual aid is this is how big
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the pipeline is, only it is not this thick. it is 0.478, something of that, and it's made in india. okay. as you can see, it has some flex to it. you know? this pipeline is not rigid. it's unsafe as far as i'm concerned. you know, they can say it's coated, you know, with some type of coating to make it safer. as far as their electronic system for leak, i have a trans-canada memo that says it will leak 1% to 2% undetected. >> 1% to 2% undetected. he's got a visual aid. i've got a visual aid. it's no secret i'm a canadian businessman too. i have a fishing lodge up in canada. let me tell you about regulations, my friends. it's very interesting. this is our 6,000-gallon diesel gas tank. this one's for ab gas.
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what are all these things? oh, yeah. that's regulated. you have to put these highway jobbers up there, and they've got to be four feet from the tank and they've got to be 36 inches apart by regulation. this tank has to be inspected every two years. it has to be tagged or they'll put me out of business and i really get really ornery when i can't catch fish. you know what i mean? here's the bottom line. this is a double-walled tank. or i couldn't be in business. in other words, you have to have two sheets of iron in this tank in case there's some kind of a spill. then there has to be a catching mechanism on the outside, which is what that wall is. then of course this has to be up to code, that has to be up to code, the nozzle up to code and anything within 25 feet up to code. i got all kinds of regulations when it comes to fuel in canada. hmm. trans-canada. isn't that the oil company that's trying to build this pipeline?
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why don't they have these scheduled to be all along the pipeline? why don't they have a requirement for a double thickness? why is it they're always picking on the little guy? and why is it there have been so many leaks and there have been no changes? i can tell you if there was a leak out of that tank environmental folks from canada would be all over me at the lake and they would be coming up with all kinds of recommendations on what i have to do with that tank. so maybe this is just a situation where it is such a huge company that they can come in and pretty much do whatever they want and write the damn regulations if they don't like them. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. on the's question -- would you let the keystone xl pipeline run through your backyard? text a for yes, b for no to 67622. you can go to our blog at e ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring results later nonthe
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show. senator sheldon whitehouse and john o'connor, who studies the health effects of the tar sands oil. gentlemen, great to have you with us. senator, you first. are you happy with the state department inspector general's repo report? your thoughts. >> no i'm not. i think it has cleared the hurdle of being disqualified as a conflict of interest in violation of the department's own guidelines. but it's clear that as a report it is infected with the bias of the oil industry from which this consultant comes. and i think that there are flaws in the report that we're still looking into. but one of them was that i think the that the evidence we brought out in the environment of public works committee was new and hadn't been adequately considered. that was dr. o'connor's work showing the downstream harm from those near the mining of the tar sands and the testimony from a community organizer in texas
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about those who have health damage because of the refining of tar sands-type crude oil. and then those who are near the pepco, the waste product of it in detroit and chicago with really telling stories about children literally having to flee the baseball field to get away from the cloud of choking dust that was blown off the dump. >> mm-hmm. dr. o'connor, i keep hearing this, that the tar sands oil is far more toxic than anything else that the being refined anywhere in the world. is that correct, sir? >> absolutely. >> it is correct that there's nothing worse coming out of the ground on the face of the earth than this oil that's going to come out of the tar sands. >> all the information we have supports that. >> dr. o'connor, how toxic is it when it comes to imposing possible health risks on society? >> i guess from the point of
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view of what's leased into the environment, you know, at both ends, i'm more familiar with the mining end of it, the digging it out of the ground. independent science has thanked god piled up indicating there's a big impact and release of a lot of carcinogenic material into the environment, which may well be linked up with the health issues that have arisen downstream, especially in the community of ft. chipewan, about an hour's flight north downstream. >> and doctor, how much oil could be leaked out of a pipeline lfr it would become very serious in your opinion? >> i would have to hazard a guess at that and i would like to leave that up to the experts. >> okay. senator, do you expect the state department to give this a stamp of approval? john kerry gave a very pointed speech a couple of weekends ago about this, almost to the point writ's going to be hard for him to back away and give the
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president a recommendation for approval. and do you think that this state department report is credible? >> i think that there are flaws within the state department report, but i also want to say that if you actually look at the state department report it's a lot more balanced than the republican version of the report. the republican version of the report, if you listen to speaker boehner, is that this was a big, fat green light, there are no problems, just go on right ahead. and in fact the report says that the downstream effect of burning all this tar sands would be the equivalent, official correctly, of 5.6 million cars running out in the -- on the roads per year and that the pipeline at certain oil prices is the difference between all of that pollution and not. so, you know, i think that there are things that john kerry can find in that report that would support a decision not to go forward with the pipeline, and i think if you look at the flaws
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in the report and look at it with clear eyes, that's the direction that he should be leaning. and, you know, the republicans want to stampede this project through. they are getting hundreds of millions of dollars from the oil, coal, coke brothers, polluting industry consortium, and they want to try to create an atmosphere of stampede, and that's why there's all this false urgency about it and zero interest in the health effects and outright denial of the climate change effects. makes it a lot easier for them, and if they don't even believe climate change is happening or that carbon pollution contributes to it. >> senator, you mentioned the coke brothers. are they behind this to your knowledge? >> i don't know that they're behind it, but there's an awful lot of money that supports the republican party that comes out of the coal industry, out of the oil industry, out of the gas industry, out of the technological folks that support those industries, and the coke brothers are deeply involved in those industries. so it's part and parcel of a
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large powerful industry that at this point appears to have an absolute death grip on the republican party to the point that they can't even talk about climate change any longer. >> and, senator, do you want more information? do you want a health impact study on this? what would satisfy you from the health perspective in the dangers here? >> i think when you've heard from dr. o'connor about the increase in cancers in the area of the mining, when you've heard from the community organizer from port arthur, texas, about the increase in health effects down in the refining area, when you've heard from the community environmental groups that are having to deal with the petco problem, there are questions that should be answered and could be answered in a thorough report. and i also think that there are real issues of where the focus should be within this report. there's actually some quite good information in it that cuts very hard against allowing the keystone pipeline. >> okay. and dr. o'connor, on the ground,
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where this type of oil has been extracted in the past, you have seen significant and your research shows that there has been significant increase in cancer? >> exactly. in aboriginal communities that are far off the beaten track, but unfortunately at the receiving end of the river that's been used to provide water to assist this type of mining, 30% higher rate of cancer in the community of 1,100 people, a traditional aboriginal people where 80% of the community lives off the hand, they hunt, fish, trap, and gather. amazing when you consider that overall cancers in first nations is lower than nonfirst nations, it makes it even more significant. the alberta government and the canadian government promised when this report came out in 2009 that they would do comprehensive health studies. they have walk aid way from the community and from ft. mckie,
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where i'm formally based. a disgrace. >> they have not followed up with what they said they were going to be do with health impact studies. >> absolutely not. and with all the science and the independent science that has piled up indicating contrary to what the industries and governments have been saying that this industry is having a major impact on the environment, there's still no movement. incredible in this day and age. >> finally, senator whitehouse, would this not be a huge symbolic statement by the president and this country if the president -- and it is his decision -- were to deny this pipeline to come through america? >> i think it would be a very strong statement that at long last this government and the united states is serious about climate change, it's serious about the harm that carbon pollution is doing in our atmosphere, is doing in our oceans, and it's serious about trying to address the effects that in my home state of rhode island, for instance, we're
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already seeing. we've got 10 inches more sea lapping against our shores and in a big storm that makes a big difference to a small state like ours. >> okay. senator sheldon whitehouse and dr. john o'connor, appreciate your time tonight. thanks for joining us on "the ed show." up next, jan brewer finally did the right thing in arizona. mike rogers joins me to discuss what took her so long and why conservatives are fuming about it. still ahead, the white house called for public opinions on the keystone xl pipeline. and you answered. we'll share your comments and bring you more from nebraska. knows her way around a miniskirt. can run in high heels. must be a supermodel, right? you don't know "aarp". because aarp is making finding the career you love, no matter what your age, a real possibility. go to aarp.org/possibilities to check out life reimagined for tools, support, and connections. if you don't think "i've still got it" when you think aarp, then you don't know "aarp". find more surprising possibilities
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radio show on sirius xm 127 monday through friday noon to three. channel 127. and of course you can get my podcast off the radio website at wegoted.com. the social nation has decided the topics today we are reporting. here are today's top trernds reported on by you. >> you're my hero. >> number three trender. off the mark. >> people even remember what the purpose of cpac was? it was to challenge the republican establishment? >> you don't know the man? >> it's not a republican vengs. it's not a big tent convention. >> no dogs allowed. >> cpac says the conservative talker is a first amendment defender. >> oh, yeah, yeah, it's just magnificent. >> what an honor. >> condition wait not to go. >> the number two trender. crisscross. >> i don't want to belabor the bridgegate stuff. >> new e-mails published by the bergen record reveal that weeks before the g.w. bridge traffic jam the two principal figures in
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the investigation were jobing about creating traffic problems for political enemies. >> we're going through an internal investigation. >> governor chris christie says bridgegate is just water under the bridge. >> i'm not going to give into hysteria. >> this is madness, it's madness i tell you. >> you folks are the only people at the moment who are asking me about this. >> this is really becoming like a weird obsession thing. >> i will be damned if i let any of this stuff get in the way of my real job. >> he needs to focus on his job as governor. >> this is my real job. >> and today's top trender. do the right thing. >> after six days of protests -- >> what took you so long? >> governor jan brewer changed the chance to cheer, vetoing senate 662. >> they willingly put together a piece of legislation that was going to discriminate. >> the deal is broadly worded and could result in unintended and negative consequences. >> righties sajan brewer's in the wrong for her veto of senate bill 1062. >> this is not tolerating
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people's religious beliefs. >> we're being besieged. >> this is denying my right as christian to exercise my conscience. >> we feel, people of faith, our rights are being whittled away in the name of gay rights. >> effectively eviscerating the first amendment rights of freedom of speech, expression, and religious expression for the people of arizona. >> joining me tonight from rawstory.com, mike rogers, longtime activist as well. thanks for doing the ride raid owe show from time to time. i appreciate it very much. >> thank you, ed. >> this has been a hot topic, no question about it, the last couple days. okay. so the republicans in arizona, they full throated vote for it then they run away from it. what's this about? >> i think what it is about is that the american people, and more importantly in arizona, this example, is business, the businesses of this country stood up and said everybody slow down a minute because we have hundreds of thousands and millions of lgbt employees at our companies and this is not acceptable. i think these conservatives, as
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they often do, try to get things in under the radar, they try to slide things through, and then once they're nailed and caught on that, this is what happens, it becomes a big brouhaha and the country stands up and says, no, we're not a country based in discrimination. >> as a gay man and journalist, what is your response to the proponents saying, well, you're infringing upon religious freedom? >> i have no idea what that means, actually, ed, because they have all these wonderful concerns about impugning religious freedom and standing in people's ways, and they can't point to examples, in arizona, the governor even admitted it. we don't have one case, she said, that anybody can point to in this law. so it's clearly about them and their politics. >> they don't have one case, what took her so long? it's a two-page bill. >> well, she's got a lot of publicity to put out there for herself. she has a real opportunity to be the focal point of attention, which we all know jan brewer loves, and it actually is to me -- i really have to say it
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was a two-page bill. she could have read it the second it arrived on her desk and should have immediately, if not immediately within a matter of hours that corporations and leaders were coming out and saying no, i don't know what took her three or four days p. >> do you anticipate these kinds of reckless types of legislation being thrown out in legislative sessions? are we going to see a slowdown of this or is it still going to be full terror plot snl will this affect it at all? >> well you know people like michele bachmann on the show and people who are, like, we have to do this, and those bills are there. they've been there in mississippi, one under consideration in georgia. but i think the lesson has been made very clear and all of those guys are backtracking much like the people in arizona who voted for it and then said uh-oh, this is really bad. those guys are ripping those bills right out of consideration. in mississippi, they're declaring we need a further look at this, another angle we want to make sure. in other words, they know the damages it will inflict. >> are these coming to the floor
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of both chambers and a lot of states because of the activist groups that are well funded by people who definitely want social change? i mean, or is this really coming from someone who is elected and genuinely goes back to his or her office and sits down and writes this? or is this stuff you think being corporately handled to them and then of course they don't want to become a target at election time, they'll go along with the fraternity? >> i think it's a little bit of both and you're right, thigh thai get into the position, these crazy right-wingers throw up all this stuff and in step these politicians and they validate it by participating in it. when you listen to what some of them say, do you really believe this or are you just spewing those talking points? and in most cases these guy have no understanding and they are spewing talking points. the fact that they're being elected and doing it is what's a big part of the problem. >> okay. mike rogers, rawstory.com, good to have you with us. thanks so much. >> thank you, ed. coming up, just one week left to make sure the white
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house hears your concerns of the keystone xl pipeline. we'll have more from our series "divided heartland: the american deba debate." still ahead, amid one of the strongest lobbying efforts nebraska has ever seen, landowner concerns were met with silence. nebraska farmer jim tarnik tells us what happened when he traveled to washington to meet with his representatives. next i'm taking your questions. ♪
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welcome back to "the ed show." tonight we continue our series on the keystone xl pipeline. this is divided heartland, the american debate. all week we have been bringing you stories from real people in nebraska who live and work around the site of the proposed pipeline. tonight we focus on the obama administration's call for your opinions. the public comment period ends next week, march 7th. >> the state department has gone through its review. there is now a comment period. >> i'm hoping president obama
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does a better job of listening to americans than some of our state officials have listened to nebraska nebras nebraskans and realized that this is just going to turn the united states into an alleyway. for foreign product going from one foreign country to the open market. >> mr. president, you know, this has been reviewed by the state department for years. everybody's had a fair amount of time to discuss the issue. both sides have given their points of view. and ice time to approve this pipeline. >> president obama tells us to be the change, that this is the year of action, and secretary kerry just gave a world speech about climb change and how that is a weapon of mass destruction. >> if the president was standing here now, what would you tell him? >> i'd say that i as a si zen of nebraska am in favor of the
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pipeline. >> it boil downs to one man, president obama. >> i would ask him if he would willingly sleep 275 feet away from a 36-inch pipe of sludge and poison. day after day after day after day. if that's something that he really would feel comfortable doing. personally, i don't. >> the shift to a cleaner energy economy won't happen overnight. and it will require some tough choices along the way. >> -- the president in the national interest comment period. i guess i would use the word nation, we're a nation of people. and if something is in the national interest, i would think that each person in the nation should somehow be better for the project if it's found in the national interest. >> when our children's children look us in the eye and ask if we did all we could to leave them a
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safer, more stable world with new sours of energy, i want us to be able to say yes, we did. >> it's time to step up. you can't say these things and make these speeches and then be the hypocrites that don't do something when it's on their plate. >> the president made climate change a top priority during his state of the union address. and hz tried to change the game with executive orders to reduce carbon emissions. >> over the past eight years the united states has reduced our total carbon pollution more than any other nation on earth. >> television and not keep on this road of using dirty fuel. so i think it is not in our national interest. i think the president gets that. i think he's asking us to step up to the plate and support him. >> and all of us are serious about climate change and diversifying our energy sources. >> this is something that we have to deal with. it has to affect all of our decisions at this station because the science is
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irrefutable. it has consequences for our businesses, for our jobs, for our families, for safety and security. >> it is time. and i think america is moving towards being ready to put their money where their mao is as far as the investment we need to make in america. >> so if president obama and john kerry have to look in the mirror and ask if they're serious when they give those speeches. >> we only have one planet. we do have to point to the future and show leadership. >> well, here it is. you know, here's the national stage or the international stage for it. >> i would call out to black eagle, as he's known to the native people. we were not consulted. we have not signed off, and we deserve that signatory status. >> we have serious and grave concerns about, you know, just the basic safety of our people. >> the tribe is poised to stand the line and keep the pipeline
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from going through this territory. >> president obama now has the chance to make a huge symbolic statement to the world by not giving big oil what it wants in the middle of the country. >> it's right in front of him now. you know, we've got to be the leaders for it. and i can bring him out here, like what's going on outside right now. we've got 30-mile-per-hour wind blowing. it's time he we look for renewables. >> when you brushed your teeth this morning and switched on that switch, did that come from water turbines, nuclear, wind, or coal? we need to look at renewables. >> i believe that the most valuable thing here is protecting the largest aquifer in the united states. >> do you want clean water and good food or do you want oil? >> sometimes there's a fine line between being a good neighbor and being a fool.
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we don't want to be the fools. >> "the ed show" media has been active on this issue for weeks. today we asked for your messages for president obama, and i'm just going to read a cup toll you. our first from deanna. "if you care as much about the country as you say you do, you will not pass this." quite a strong statement. our next response comes from george. he says, "i would prefer to see this product transported by pipeline than by truck or rail." and our next response comes from patsy. "people in the country, in this country, are supposed to have rights. i'm sick and tired of rich corporations thinking that their rights supersede those of regular citizens." and our last response tonight comes from rick. he says, "the oil trains are untenable and we are stuck with oil for years to come. we need the nasty stuff, so transport it in the best, safest
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way possible." thanks for your responses. we certainly want to thank all of you for watching this segment and we've got more coming up. our keystone pipeline xl investigation continues next. we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness if you qualify, and new car replacement, standard with our auto policies.
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welcome back to "the ed show." the greatest privilege any american has is the right to vote in a representative government. members of congress have a responsibility to represent the people who sent them there. in rural nebraska, the people i met last friday are getting a raw deal. many of them traveled to washington to talk to congressman terry lee and senator mike johanns concerning the pipeline. tonight this is their story. ♪ in the breadbasket of america, where corn is king, everything surrounding this fight has been taller than corn. from the lobbying effort to the misinformation campaign, these concerned citizens feel big oil has tried to confuse the
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residents of nebraska, and it seems that everybody is in on the game. >> he sent an e-mail to his supporters saying that their electricity bills will go up unless the keystone xl pipeline is approved. that is outrageous. it is outrageous. >> so the fear tactic is out there as well? >> oh, sure, yeah. >> absolutely. >> you were told that your electricity rates are going to go up unless the pipeline is built? >> yep. >> and that's the type of tactics that not only representative terry uses, but alec and americans for prosperity. all of those groups on the far right who don't care actually about protecting farmers and ranchers, they'll put them in their political ads. but when it comes time, when the rubber hits the road, where are they? have a single republican leader stood with us throughout this time? >> these activists have exhausted every effort, taking trips to washington to make sure their voices were heard. unfortunately, they were met with unusual resistance. >> we've been to speak with him personally, and we were told we won't talk tar sands with you.
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i have never been so appalled in my life of, you know, taking my own personal time, my own money to go meet in a representative's office in washington, d.c. that is supposed to represent me, and they told us as a group that they wouldn't talk with us about the issue. >> so you went to washington. >> yes. >> with the issue. >> yes. >> and you were denied conversation? >> yes. >> in a representative government. >> yes. >> there was a subject that was off the the table. >> yes. >> what is your response to that? >> unbelievable. the next statement was you want to know my record on the environment and we're like yeah. and he said zero. >> i used to think whoever you elected in office, they were working for you, for the guy that got him in there. i woke up. i was that naive. until we went to washington, until we went senator johannes' first comment to us was i don't care about you and the pipeline.
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>> wait a minute. he used to be the governor -- >> yes, yes. >> and he used to be the ex-secretary. >> exactly. >> now he is a united states senator, he said what? >> he does not care about us and the pipeline. >> senator johannes, along with 44 other republican senators have signed a letter to president obama urging approval of the project. so before keystone, you really weren't mad at politicians, were you? it doesn't sound like it. >> no. >> going along. >> all this process has done is soured some really good americans about how their government works. >> i think our elected officials have done a dirty trick on us. they kind of sold us out. you know, lee terry out of omaha, governor heineman, name it. everyone who has come out in favor of the pipeline that are supposed to be working for us.
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i want to ask each and every one of them if you think this is such a great plan, if you think this is such a good thing for america, then why don't you put it on state and federal lands? really. you could certainly go down the road ditches. why it is you're asking landowners, private citizens, why are we being asked to handle all the risk? because it's -- anything that's built by man is not infallible. so there is going to be accidents. there is going to be leaks. there is going to be things that happen. and why are we the ones that have to be -- have to be holding the bag when that happens? >> jim around theick, one of the members of bold nebraska.org that joined me last friday joins us tonight. jim, good to have you with us. it's been a very eventful week.
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more comments coming from congress. you tried to contact congressman terry lee of nebraska since you went to washington? >> no, i haven't. i haven't tried to make any contact with lee terry. >> and describe the trip that you had and how it all worked out. >> well, we went down to washington, a group of us landowners and people from bold, nebraska. and we went to, you know, see our representatives and take part -- take part in the rally for the climate. and as we were down there for that, we had meetings set up in which, like, we would go to see the one the senator johannes, he just talked to us maybe for three minutes and then it was just his staff.
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but he was very -- he was on the defensive from the minute he got in the room saying i don't care about you or the pipeline. you know, it's -- this is my vote on it. it's going through. it's what he wanted. and it's been the same. lee terry, you meet with his staffers and, you know, for the most part, most of them are zoned out on you anyways. >> do you think that there is any way you can turn the decision in your favor? do you feel like you have some momentum, or do you think you're chasing this? >> no, when i found out about the pipeline and found out some of the truer facts about it and what transcanada was really up to, you know, i really did feel like, you know, gosh, we're going to try to put up this fight and we're going to try to do everything we can, but it's
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like about the end of the game. and i'm late getting there to the party anyways. and in this fight. but as we've gone on over the last few years, we've gained significant momentum. and the striking down of lb-1161 has just been a huge uplift to a lot of people, and it's opened a lot of eyes. and everybody has told us, this pipeline is going to go through, and transcanada said over and over again, it's always three months, and it's going to be going. it's this amount of time and we'll be rolling. and it will be going. and they send you the letters. they say sign up now with us because the money is going down. and you better get on board with us because you're only going to lose out. and here we are now, you know, we're still standing. we're standing stronger. you know, and the president is hearing our voice. and people like you, ed, are picking up us and letting us tell our story. and i feel we've got a lot of
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momentum. i feel this thing has gone to our favor. >> jim, there is 75 miles of land that has not been decided upon. is that correct, of the 275 across nebraska? how determined are these landowners not to give in to transcanada? >> oh, we're very determined. transcanada and their people will tell you, they've got 90% of the line, it's locked up, you know, these people are ready to go. you know you want to look us at us, and people look on that map and they see a line and they say this ain't no big deal. we're people, you know. the landowners, the farmers, the ranchers. people that make their lives off this land. and we're standing united, and we get stronger as this fight continues, you know. and there is more people joining us every day. and there is people that, you know, transcanada, you don't get that earlier number of people that might have signed up
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because they thought they had to. there was that risk. transcanada threatened me three times with eminent domain after the governor approved that. >> jim tarnick, we'll stay on the story. i appreciate your time tonight. thanks for speaking up. congressman lee terry agreed to join us on the program tonight. but because of votes in congress, he was unable to join us this evening. he will appear on this program next week. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right thought. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from washington, d.c. tonight's lead, new documents in the chris christie bridge scandal revealed. we're learning more about the actions of key christie aides and allies before, during, and after the lane closings. the information comes from david wildstein. the former bridge official who carried out the lane closings. he's the one who replied

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